Comments on NT/History Blog: Gender and Number in 1 Tim 2 - Part 4

BTW how many posts will you be having in this seri...

2009-12-11T21:28:13.043-06:00

BTW how many posts will you be having in this series?

Bill, You said: If the danger of Adam & E...

2009-12-11T21:27:34.268-06:00
Bill,

You said:

If the danger of Adam & Eve was his need for her, and if Paul told this story to illustrate his point that "a woman" should not teach "a man", this may add some weight to my central argument.

How would you say this "danger" showed itself when he stood by silently when she was being deceived? I do agree that he needed her, but I am trying to get my head around your thought that the danger was his need for her. Do you mean to say that he couldn't act without her? So that if he knew the truth and wasn't deceived, he couldn't act on that knowledge unless she too was "in the know"? This gives me an image of a very wimpy Adam. Maybe he was or maybe he wasn't. Certainly a watchman with no backbone was a danger but more so a danger to her rather than a danger to himself. The problem we come up with time again is Adam's motives. Don't you wish we actually knew his heart and why he did what he did?

Be good, or I'll have to apologize to Ken late...

2009-12-11T13:20:17.427-06:00
Be good, or I'll have to apologize to Ken later.

;-)

Shucks - You're a step ahead of me again. And...

2009-12-11T13:18:18.028-06:00
Shucks - You're a step ahead of me again.

And I thought I knew it all.

I guess it's what you learn after you know it all
that really counts.

Thanks. I'm going to go play on this new link. ;-)

I don't suppose God intended for us to disobey...

2009-12-11T12:47:04.102-06:00
I don't suppose God intended for us to disobey, but I do think he might have expected it. On those notes, Amos, you might enjoy checking out
this conversation.

We don't need to go farther off on that tangent in this thread, I don't think.

I’m enjoying your reasoning and how your working ...

2009-12-11T12:34:25.701-06:00
I’m enjoying your reasoning
and how your working thru this all
and sharing the process of looking from different angles.
This kinda goes a long with your post...

Inerrancy and Tradition

Or am I reaching?

And those pesky “Traditions of men.” Fall or...?

They just keep making the word of God of none effect.

Here’s a thought.

If God knows,
the natual mind is not subject to the law of God.
Romans 8:7

And, The strength of sin is the law.
1 Cor 15:56

And God told Adam “don’t eat.”

The first law?

What was God expecting.

Was this command a set up. Hmmm?

Notice the word up - instead of fall.

Good catch, Amos. I would probably be more correc...

2009-12-11T11:59:52.742-06:00
Good catch, Amos. I would probably be more correct to talk about their "transgression" or "disobedience".

The "fall" is a theological tradition, of course, and I suppose it was mainly lazy of me to use the shorter word.

I do like shorter words, and I'd expect all my readers will understand what I mean, but I could have been more careful.

The question is whether the Jews of Paul's day would have talked about "the fall" or something of that nature. I honestly don't know.

Thanks again for that good catch!

Bill Whew, lots of ideas and work on this one. G...

2009-12-11T11:10:34.956-06:00
Bill

Whew, lots of ideas and work on this one.

Gotta question. You write...

"to blame Eve for their fall."

"Adam fell also."

"about Adam's fall?"

Fall - In the Bible
Where and/or who said it was a fall. Or, they fell.

Fell from what?

;-)